Skeptic: Gosh, I’m getting worn down by all the climate change haranguing. I think the notion of climate change has made people not only irrational but also delusional. I do believe they believe in their cause to save the planet, but I also believe they’ve been duped by a cult of pseudoscience. And the latest example of that occurred at another one of those awards shows.
Alarmist: Typical “denier.” How can you, a “denier,” not be sure that you aren’t delusional? You’re that frog in the continuously warming pot of water, not recognizing that you’re about to be cooked.
Skeptic: At the 48th César Awards ceremony in France, an entertainment industry’s moment of self-gratification akin to the Oscars, a protesting woman identified as Nina wore a white T-shirt with “We have 761 days left” written in heavy black letters.” * Let’s look at the rationality of her warning. Nina is a member of Dernière Rénovation, a group obsessed by climate change. So, they have determined, it seems, that the planet has 761 days left. Tell me that that’s not extreme off-the-rails-of-reason thinking. They prove my point. And you? Boiled, cooked?
How can you, an “alarmist,” know the tipping point of any future climate change. You might be relatively sure about the timing of those changes in millennia past, like the previous glacial and interglacial periods and the intermittent warming and cooling trends within those periods? But the future? I will grant that there’s evidence for the “sudden” cooling of the Younger Dryas that temporarily interrupted the beginning of the current interglacial period. It occurred in the absence of any human activity such as we have today, and it might actually have occurred over a period of decades 12,900 years ago. It also ended rather abruptly. But 761 days? Come on, not even you can believe in such doomsday predictions.
Alarmist: I don’t know how they got that figure, but that Younger Dryas cooling does indicate that climate change can be relatively fast.
Skeptic: Yes, but also often geographically limited. Do you believe it affected the entire planet? And if it did, did it decrease or increase permanently the geographic ranges of plants and animals or limit adaptations, both purposeful in the case of humans and non-purposeful in the case of plants and animals, adaptations that have occurred and will occur again, but not in the next few years unless the Russians decide to go full-out nuclear to initiate a worldwide holocaust and nuclear winter that would occur after an exchange of bombs.
But, please, my friend, don’t misunderstand. I know that climates can change because I’ve personally experienced the evidence. I’ve stood on drumlins in New York, sailed past little islands of Alexandria Bay, and driven along the valleys of the finger lakes. I’ve seen glacial grooving on Mt. Holyoke in Massachusetts and leaned against Doane Rock on Cape Cod, both remnants of glaciers-past. I’ve driven over the moraines near Erie, Pennsylvania, and stood on an esker at Moraine State Park in western Pennsylvania. l’ve looked over a cirque in the Siskiyou Mountains and a glaciated landscape in the Adirondacks. And I’ve seen the compressed glacial gravels along the Northwest’s Pacific shore, the hanging valleys of Yosemite, and the polished rock above Lake Tahoe. So, yes, we have plenty of evidence that climates can change and have changed. But as I sit in your “pot of boiling water,” let me further the point: Just as a “watched pot never boils,” so climate change can be inexorable but rather slow on human scales, and certainly not 761 days across the entire planet. So, this is how I conclude that you alarmists are delusional.
Alarmist: The water is getting warmer, Frog.
Skeptic: Hey, I’m not French. Don’t you belong to a group of like-minded thinkers who also, in addition to its obsession with climate also obsesses over cultural appropriation and micro-aggressions? But, I’m beyond the ad hominem attack which is your counterargument. I prefer instead to take on the thinking that would lead to the claim of 761 remaining days. I assume that February 24, the day of the award ceremony is the starting point. So, let me think, 365.25 days per into 761, is 2.08 years. Oh! Wait, I forgot that 2024 is a leap year. We don’t count the 0.25 day this year, but add a day next year. Anyway, it seems that in March, 2025, we’ll reach the end of those 761 days. We get two more years according to Dernière Rénovation. I guess it’s time to wrap up those final touches on your will—that is, if you believe anyone who escapes being boiled off Earth will be around to inherit your wealth. Given that human bodies are mostly just big bags of water, I actually like your frog-in-boiling-water analogy though I find it indicative of your panic.
Alarmist: Go ahead, make fun; how are you not invoking an ad hominem logic?
Skeptic: Com’on, surely you don’t buy into the 761-day scenario. Surely, you don’t find that prediction to be anything other than a Chicken Little story.
Alarmist: Scientists have told us we’re near the tipping point.
Skeptic: In 761 days? Who are you, Al Gore, Greta Thunberg, Bill Gates, or some IPCC sycophant who hasn’t read all the caveats its many “scientists” have published? We’re always near a tipping point. This is Earth. There have been at least 11 tipping points of cooling and warming each during the past 2.5 million years.
If you look at the oxygen-isotope analysis, which is a good indicator of paleotemperature, you’ll see that climate fluctuations over the past ten million years are common and that our ancestors like Ardipithecus, Australopithecus, and Paranthropus evolved under widely swinging temperatures accompanied by both arid and humid conditions and lower and higher sea levels. If they went through “761-day” changes, those 761 days were a bit “biblical,” you know, the way people say the length of the “seven days of Creation” weren’t 24-hour periods—sorry, just thought I’d use that as an analogy. No one can point to a specific two-year period that preceded climate change; no one can point to that short a period as a recognizable beginning of the end. Anyway, we’ve been told that “the end is nigh” by too many Al Gores, and you know what they say about hearing anything repeatedly? The more something is repeated the more truthful it sounds. Want examples? Think think German anti-semitism before World War II, “Russian Collusion,” or think COVID-19’s origins from a “wet market” in Wuhan and not the lab that actually did genetic research on coronaviruses in bats, and especially think about all those prophets of the Second Coming like Heaven’s Gate and the people interpreting the Aztec calendar.
Alarmist: But we are reaching the tipping point.
Skeptic: Of what? Becoming warmer or colder? We’ve been in a ten-to-twelve millennia interglacial period interrupted by wide temperature swings like the Younger Dryas, another cooling about 8.2 thousand years ago, the Medieval Warm Period of a millennia ago, and the Little Ice Age of the late sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, all of which punctuated the general temperature trends. And so what? We’ve seen evidence of rapid sea level rise from ten to six thousand years ago and evidence for higher and lower sea level stands. Will the seas rise rapidly because of climate change as Al Gore prophesied? Where was Al when they rose rapidly during those four or five thousand years at the beginning of this interglacial? Again, so what if they do rise? Have we not consciously decided to live in Bangladesh, Florida, or the Netherlands? Aren’t the Netherlands as much a “land” because of human intervention against a rising sea as any place on the planet? Remember that not too long ago the English Channel was a land bridge, the Aleutians, also. And if sea level is rising at the rate of a few millimeters per year or about eight inches per century right now, we’re a long way off from the complete inundation of southern Florida and the American East Coast.
But let’s take a little responsibility here. If people choose to build a house on the shore or at sea level, they risk being either inundated or left high and dry. The current Delaware and Florida shorelines were not shorelines during the last low stand, when the sea was 400 feet lower. Both were well inland, and that’s no secret like the documents found at the shoreline homes of Biden and Trump. The relative position of a house constructed near the water’s edge isn’t guaranteed in stone—and even such a guarantee is rather meaningless in a world of tectonic change. As an island, Great Britain seems to be tilting, one end dipping downward. And the people living on coral atolls have above sea level homes on the tops of subsiding volcanoes. Whether or not sea level rises, their residences will sink beneath the waves.
Alarmist: There will be massive shifts in population, costing trillions of dollars, first in trying to protect coastal communities and then in trying to move them.
Skeptic: Choice, isn’t it. Live on the side of an active volcano, expect an eruption. Expect a devastating pyroclastic flow. Build over a fault line, expect an earthquake. Live near the ocean that has been as much as 400 feet lower and many feet higher than today’s sea level, then expect change. And don’t expect the temperatures of your comfortable zone to remain comfortable.
But an abrupt change in 761 days? A worldwide change in 761 days? That’s the kind of prediction that makes one seem as foolish as an Al Gore predicting dire consequences that have not occurred on his time scale.
Alarmist: Look at what’s happening to the coral reefs. Look at the melting glaciers. Look at the polar bears. At desertification at Timbuktu.
Skeptic: All attributable to other causes or misinterpretations. Desertification of the southern Sahara has been ongoing for a longer period that the human burning of fossil fuels. Glaciers have retreated and—by the way—grown in some places over the past 200 years. That glacier in Iceland called Okjökull Glacier, that has been used by alarmists as a direct connection to carbon had begun to shrink before the rise in anthropogenic atmospheric carbon. The polar bears seem to be doing just fine in most of their genetic “tribes,” but the demise of large animals has many causes: Where are the mastodons, the mammoths, the sabertooth tigers? And those coral reefs? If the oceans warm outside the topics, won’t the corals follow? Want to see an ancient coral reef in New York? Go to Lockport; go to Brown’s Creek not far from SUNY Geneseo.
Alarmist: You just don’t care about the planet.
Skeptic: No, I care. And I’m probably just as big a hypocrite as you alarmists. I fly to places in planes that spew hygroscopic particles and carbon compounds; I drive a gas-guzzling truck; and I buy stuff made from earth-stuff taken from the ground.
But do you really care about current living humans who have longer lives because of fossil fuels, have products and even medicines derived from those fuels, and the ability to travel inland when the seas engulf their vacation homes because of fossil fuels? Don’t you rich alarmists use planes, have material wealth beyond that of kings, and have homes or vacation homes along the shore?
If you think sea level is rising rapidly, I recommend you buy property that stands at least 70 feet above current sea level, then you can sell it for a profit when it becomes shoreline. And if chances are you’ll not live to reap the profits, maybe some grandchild or great grandchild of can sell the shoreline property. Leave a will. Call it your “climate will.”
Alarmist: Trillions of dollars! Wasted because you won’t change your lifestyle.
Skeptic: Trillions? What do you think the cost will be to go total alternative energy? What will the cost be just in the mining of materials like copper and rare earths? And even if we did have abundant supplies of those earth materials, what costs will come as countries like China say, “No soup for you,” or rather “No rare earth for you.” The distribution of such materials as those used in windmills and electric vehicle batteries isn’t even. How much lithium do you think the United States has?
But if you think you can reverse the climate trend you believe is occurring, show me by example what to do and convince the billions of people who want the lifestyle, health, and comfort you have that they should renounce their desire to improve their lives. Did Nina at the awards show have to use cotton to make her T-shirt? If she did, did she source it locally? Did she eat food on the day of the awards show, and did her food go by delivery truck to a grocer where she bought it? Did she cook her food or eat it cold? Please don’t tell me she likes green tea that is not grown in France. But more importantly, what has she done that wards off her inevitable climate change? Talk? Demonstrate? Throw soup on paintings? And if she uses any product from a foreign land, does she know how many hygroscopic particles formed because of the interaction of ship and plane exhaust, particles that collect water and form clouds or how much carbon was released into the atmosphere because of those transport vehicles?
I’m really a bit tired of the haranguing by you alarmists.
Alarmist: We’re just trying to save the planet.
Skeptic: But you really aren’t saving it, are you? Let’s have this conversation again in March, 2025 after the passage of those 761 days. Tell Nina to keep her T-shirt, because she can once again announce another 761-day prediction to the world on live TV and in front of those who show grave concern about climate change, such as all those in entertainment and media who jet around and live the high life. In the meantime, I’m going to the shore where I won’t have to walk far from a hotel to stand in the swash zone because the water just rose this past year by two to three millimeters, or about a two-penny-thick rise onto the land. Two pennies. One atop the other.
*https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/02/25/watch-frances-cesar-awards-disrupted-by-climate-change-protester-we-have-761-days-left/